1 00:00:04,220 --> 00:00:02,210 hi everybody I'm bill burns yeah nancy 2 00:00:07,369 --> 00:00:04,230 burns here at work in future theater and 3 00:00:12,230 --> 00:00:07,379 you know we like to listen to mmm radio 4 00:00:14,810 --> 00:00:12,240 on sunday nights at 9pm and 9pm whatever 5 00:00:17,810 --> 00:00:14,820 oh oh the best network on the whole 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:17,820 entire internet inception radio network 7 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:20,010 you're locked into inception radio 8 00:01:18,260 --> 00:00:52,160 you 9 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:20,730 welcome welcome welcome planet earth to 10 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:23,470 paying radio tonight is Sunday November 11 00:01:28,740 --> 00:01:26,770 23rd 2014 and welcome to paying radio 12 00:01:31,410 --> 00:01:28,750 tonight we got a great show for you 13 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:31,420 tonight we have Nancy Talbot she 14 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:34,780 actually had a mergency last week so she 15 00:01:38,730 --> 00:01:36,970 was trying to get a hold of us but we 16 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:38,740 have her this week and part two will 17 00:01:43,260 --> 00:01:41,410 actually be the first sunday in december 18 00:01:45,630 --> 00:01:43,270 so we'll have her two weeks on here the 19 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:45,640 first week we'll be covering scientific 20 00:01:50,430 --> 00:01:48,190 the scientific side of crop circles and 21 00:01:52,410 --> 00:01:50,440 then the second week more of the 22 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:52,420 metaphysical side of it so welcome to 23 00:01:56,790 --> 00:01:54,880 the show can how are you hey I am fine 24 00:01:59,880 --> 00:01:56,800 and I'm looking forward to the night 25 00:02:02,370 --> 00:01:59,890 show like I said I've got quite a few 26 00:02:04,290 --> 00:02:02,380 questions for Nancy I want to learn more 27 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:04,300 about crop circles I know we had a kind 28 00:02:08,430 --> 00:02:05,770 of a general discussion last week 29 00:02:10,530 --> 00:02:08,440 because of the emergency that Nancy had 30 00:02:13,290 --> 00:02:10,540 to deal with but I'm looking forward to 31 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:13,300 the night show and III m2 it's going to 32 00:02:17,699 --> 00:02:16,150 be some in-depth research on crop 33 00:02:20,670 --> 00:02:17,709 circles and a lot of proof that her 34 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:20,680 research team has come up with ken got 35 00:02:25,260 --> 00:02:23,290 any shoutouts I do I want to have a 36 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:25,270 shout out to Lorna hunter up there in 37 00:02:29,729 --> 00:02:26,950 Wisconsin I know she's stalling out a 38 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:29,739 little bit but I just want to say Lorna 39 00:02:35,340 --> 00:02:32,890 appreciate your support and and thanks 40 00:02:37,259 --> 00:02:35,350 for all that you do for us and paying 41 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:37,269 radio and stuff and lining up some of 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:38,530 our guests and everything so thanks 43 00:02:43,979 --> 00:02:41,170 again learner and good work with LePage 44 00:02:45,330 --> 00:02:43,989 they do a good job I'm supposed to tell 45 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:45,340 you you're supposed to do a shout out to 46 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:49,150 somebody in Yukon Okla Homa you can 47 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:53,290 Oklahoma well Yukon would be a Marilyn 48 00:02:59,490 --> 00:02:56,530 and deck that could be there you go yeah 49 00:03:01,620 --> 00:02:59,500 of the Oklahoma UFO paranormal team and 50 00:03:03,810 --> 00:03:01,630 some of the excellent research that 51 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:03,820 they've done they're going to be having 52 00:03:09,330 --> 00:03:05,650 some more information on the paraca 53 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:09,340 skulls and and some other stuff that 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:12,489 they've been working on with the their 55 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:14,290 website everything so looking forward to 56 00:03:18,479 --> 00:03:16,750 that absolutely oh we can get once again 57 00:03:20,580 --> 00:03:18,489 thanks Maryland dick we could definitely 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:20,590 have them on for even a half hour our 59 00:03:25,650 --> 00:03:22,810 segment talking about that anytime oh 60 00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:25,660 absolutely yep absolutely i got to do a 61 00:03:29,580 --> 00:03:28,120 shuttle to a listener Antonio Vasquez 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:29,590 listening to us from two 63 00:03:33,990 --> 00:03:31,330 on Arizona and of course one of our 64 00:03:35,850 --> 00:03:34,000 favorite listeners and fans debra 65 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:35,860 anderson in duluth minnesota Deborah has 66 00:03:40,830 --> 00:03:37,840 a few questions already for me through 67 00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:40,840 facebook so if you want to throw a 68 00:03:43,619 --> 00:03:42,160 question at us and you're not in the 69 00:03:46,380 --> 00:03:43,629 chat you have me as a facebook friend 70 00:03:47,850 --> 00:03:46,390 search Mike MJ Lucas and you can add me 71 00:03:50,850 --> 00:03:47,860 as a friend if you're an IR n listener 72 00:03:52,050 --> 00:03:50,860 and we can you can post your question 73 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:52,060 through facebook if you can't get into 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:53,500 the chat so that's that's another way we 75 00:03:59,210 --> 00:03:56,410 can get some questions to our guests to 76 00:04:01,830 --> 00:03:59,220 again that's an excellent idea and 77 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:01,840 absolutely and at a what we had some 78 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:03,340 we've had some really good questions 79 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:06,730 from our listeners so guys gals keep it 80 00:04:10,530 --> 00:04:08,410 up appreciate it yeah we definitely 81 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:10,540 appreciate it there are many different 82 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:12,400 ways to listen to inception radio 83 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:14,410 network you can listen via our apps on 84 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:18,310 the android and I i tunes market blam 85 00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:20,470 i'm slipping i work in this industry and 86 00:04:23,610 --> 00:04:22,240 i can't even hey you just washed up 87 00:04:25,890 --> 00:04:23,620 slips can't do a thing with them you 88 00:04:27,570 --> 00:04:25,900 know right right exactly and you can 89 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:27,580 also listen to i RN on our call and 90 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:31,240 listen on its 40 128 367 00 press one 91 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:34,090 for the regular irn feed press two to 92 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:37,510 listen to i RN + + 0 to talk to the host 93 00:04:41,370 --> 00:04:39,910 and asks you know Colin and ask a 94 00:04:43,820 --> 00:04:41,380 question to the guests and there's many 95 00:04:46,140 --> 00:04:43,830 other platforms to like live 365 96 00:04:50,580 --> 00:04:46,150 stitcher radio we're pretty much 97 00:04:53,159 --> 00:04:50,590 anywhere and you are definitely can 98 00:04:54,779 --> 00:04:53,169 listen to anywhere I am here absolutely 99 00:04:57,659 --> 00:04:54,789 per minute there you guys kind of faded 100 00:05:00,000 --> 00:04:57,669 out on me but I'm back I don't know what 101 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:00,010 happened but um ear okay very cool very 102 00:05:04,620 --> 00:05:03,130 cool okay now let me see here why don't 103 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:04,630 we bring let's bring her in a little 104 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:06,160 early here so we're gonna do it the 105 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:10,750 rahway and bring her in here one second 106 00:05:14,460 --> 00:05:12,520 here this is always fun doing it on the 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:14,470 air but Nancy's ready tonight for us and 108 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:16,690 I definitely want a final we know where 109 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:19,450 her interest started in crop circles i 110 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:21,610 mean i did and i had several people 111 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:25,270 email me that there have been the crop 112 00:05:30,390 --> 00:05:27,520 circles discovered in snow fields i 113 00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:30,400 guess in Russia or Siberia there was a 114 00:05:37,290 --> 00:05:34,180 number of intricate patterns that were 115 00:05:40,469 --> 00:05:37,300 in the snow i know we we asked that last 116 00:05:42,330 --> 00:05:40,479 week i just wanted to you know i got 117 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:42,340 some information on that that it i guess 118 00:05:46,710 --> 00:05:43,330 they really did find 119 00:05:51,689 --> 00:05:46,720 some crop circles and snow I leave there 120 00:05:54,510 --> 00:05:51,699 we go there we go hello good evening 121 00:05:56,749 --> 00:05:54,520 Nancy this is MJ and Ken Storch with 122 00:05:59,879 --> 00:05:56,759 paying radio welcome to the show tonight 123 00:06:03,059 --> 00:05:59,889 though hey thanks for coming on Nancy 124 00:06:05,429 --> 00:06:03,069 looking forward to it oh good very good 125 00:06:07,529 --> 00:06:05,439 are talking about the science tonight 126 00:06:11,219 --> 00:06:07,539 because I wasn't able to do it last week 127 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:11,229 right correct exactly correct no Nancy 128 00:06:15,029 --> 00:06:13,150 yeah I have a question what where did 129 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:15,039 your interest start with crop circles 130 00:06:20,999 --> 00:06:18,490 are we on already yes we're on right now 131 00:06:23,129 --> 00:06:21,009 we're live all right there you go 132 00:06:27,089 --> 00:06:23,139 usually they put me on hold for a while 133 00:06:29,159 --> 00:06:27,099 oh I'm sorry what was the question again 134 00:06:33,149 --> 00:06:29,169 yeah what what got you interested in 135 00:06:36,499 --> 00:06:33,159 crop circle research a photograph in a 136 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:36,509 magazine at the kiosk and Harvard Square 137 00:06:42,029 --> 00:06:38,710 really just that little picture he got 138 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:42,039 your interest going that's neat one look 139 00:06:49,339 --> 00:06:44,409 at that thing and I've never heard of 140 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:49,349 crop circles but something about it 141 00:06:56,339 --> 00:06:51,550 really kind of captured my imagination 142 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:56,349 and I was oh I was recovering from an 143 00:07:02,519 --> 00:06:58,810 illness at the time and when I saw the 144 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:02,529 thing I I don't know I just had this 145 00:07:09,300 --> 00:07:05,740 instinct to follow up as soon as I could 146 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:09,310 and as soon as I was able I went to 147 00:07:15,089 --> 00:07:13,210 England and met with George Wingfield 148 00:07:18,059 --> 00:07:15,099 who was one of the early British 149 00:07:20,459 --> 00:07:18,069 researchers and very literate it was his 150 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:20,469 article that I'd written I'd read in 151 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:24,430 this magazine and he took me all over 152 00:07:28,529 --> 00:07:26,889 the place and met you know introduced me 153 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:28,539 to everybody and I got down on my hands 154 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:31,690 and knees in the circles and right away 155 00:07:35,999 --> 00:07:34,060 realized that there were some changes in 156 00:07:38,309 --> 00:07:36,009 the plants I mean I saw some things that 157 00:07:42,180 --> 00:07:38,319 I thought were interesting and while I 158 00:07:45,930 --> 00:07:42,190 was over there I also learned that there 159 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:45,940 was an American biophysicist who had 160 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:47,740 already begun had gotten in touch with 161 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:51,370 Pat Delgado years a year before and had 162 00:07:57,090 --> 00:07:54,880 already started to look at plants which 163 00:08:00,120 --> 00:07:57,100 kind of blew me away that there was a 164 00:08:03,210 --> 00:08:00,130 an actual scientists particularly in the 165 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:03,220 states you know paying any attention to 166 00:08:08,070 --> 00:08:05,830 this and so as soon as I got home from 167 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:08,080 England I went trotting off to Michigan 168 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:12,910 to me Wayne Levengood and just walked up 169 00:08:20,130 --> 00:08:15,280 to the door knock on door hi my name is 170 00:08:22,380 --> 00:08:20,140 Nancy and I was wanting to find out you 171 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:22,390 know what he was doing I want to do I'd 172 00:08:26,190 --> 00:08:24,250 worked as a research analyst for a 173 00:08:28,770 --> 00:08:26,200 number of years at Harvard and at the 174 00:08:31,710 --> 00:08:28,780 University of Maryland and I had some 175 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:31,720 familiarity with the basic scientific 176 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:34,990 protocols and procedures and I wanted to 177 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:38,080 see what he was doing and I guess really 178 00:08:42,330 --> 00:08:41,169 I wanted to ascertain for myself that it 179 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:42,340 looked like he was doing something 180 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:47,530 sensible you know and he was it was very 181 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:49,090 straightforward it wasn't rocket science 182 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:51,400 but he explained exactly what he was 183 00:08:54,810 --> 00:08:53,620 doing and in fact i was able to do a 184 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:54,820 little bit of it under the microscope 185 00:09:01,760 --> 00:08:58,330 with him and I understood we anomaly 186 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:01,770 what he was doing but how he was driving 187 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:04,330 these facts that he was starting to 188 00:09:10,410 --> 00:09:06,190 produce these physical abnormalities 189 00:09:12,660 --> 00:09:10,420 that he was documenting in the samples 190 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:12,670 that had been sent from England you know 191 00:09:18,870 --> 00:09:15,130 in his lab and that's where it all 192 00:09:20,940 --> 00:09:18,880 started can you have a question yeah 193 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:20,950 Nancy how long have you been doing this 194 00:09:28,020 --> 00:09:23,650 how long have you been involved in what 195 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:28,030 was it called serology I we don't I 196 00:09:33,870 --> 00:09:29,650 don't call it anything reads the study 197 00:09:37,140 --> 00:09:33,880 of crop circles and we how loving good i 198 00:09:43,830 --> 00:09:37,150 think probably got those first samples 199 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:43,840 in 89 or 90 and I John Burke and I both 200 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:46,930 found out about him independently John 201 00:09:52,710 --> 00:09:49,870 Burke was the be in BLT lovingood of 202 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:52,720 course with the L and I'm the t and i 203 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:55,570 think at burke and i totally 204 00:10:01,590 --> 00:09:58,090 independently found that out about 11 205 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:01,600 goods early work at the same time until 206 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:03,450 we met him at about the same time 207 00:10:11,070 --> 00:10:06,660 although independently of each other and 208 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:11,080 the three of us were sincere 209 00:10:15,690 --> 00:10:12,730 interested in trying to figure out what 210 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:15,700 was going on and that's you know how Bo 211 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:21,520 he started so so going back how many 212 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:22,840 years when when we're caught crop 213 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:24,640 circles first reported if you want to 214 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:25,750 tell their listeners I mean through your 215 00:10:32,310 --> 00:10:29,170 research what have you found we started 216 00:10:34,940 --> 00:10:32,320 in like I say 89 with nine eleven 217 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:34,950 hundred ninety and then John and I 1992 218 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:38,170 but the circles themselves this current 219 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:43,770 flap if you will was I think first 220 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:47,170 reported or observed occasionally 221 00:10:55,890 --> 00:10:50,890 occurring in the mid to late 70s in the 222 00:10:59,760 --> 00:10:55,900 UK Oh escalating during the 80s both in 223 00:11:03,360 --> 00:10:59,770 numbers and complexity of design and by 224 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:03,370 the end of the 80s into the 90s these 225 00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:06,610 long pictograms had just begun and those 226 00:11:13,110 --> 00:11:09,600 really galvanized world attention 227 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:13,120 because they were much more elaborate 228 00:11:17,550 --> 00:11:15,610 much more dramatic and suddenly 229 00:11:20,610 --> 00:11:17,560 everybody you know was paying attention 230 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:20,620 it turns out that there were circles 231 00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:23,110 occurring not just circles but crop 232 00:11:28,770 --> 00:11:25,750 formations occurring all over the world 233 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:28,780 at the same time but nowhere near so 234 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:31,570 many as we're being found this little 235 00:11:36,810 --> 00:11:33,880 area in southern England is quite small 236 00:11:39,030 --> 00:11:36,820 and easy to drive around in a day you 237 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:39,040 can cover all of the areas where they 238 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:41,410 generally are found there so it's a very 239 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:44,440 condensed place very easy to stay on top 240 00:11:48,870 --> 00:11:46,600 of them whereas when they occur in 241 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Washington state or South Carolina or 242 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:52,330 North Dakota or you know the Yukon or 243 00:11:56,820 --> 00:11:55,330 all these other places they occur there 244 00:12:00,540 --> 00:11:56,830 a little bit harder you got a lot more 245 00:12:03,210 --> 00:12:00,550 distance to cover to find out when they 246 00:12:04,980 --> 00:12:03,220 occur and where but it appears that they 247 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:04,990 have been occurring all over the world 248 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:08,110 and this includes Africa and South 249 00:12:16,230 --> 00:12:12,130 America China Russia the Middle East 250 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:16,240 Israel Australia as well as via North 251 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:20,320 American Canada off and on for probably 252 00:12:25,199 --> 00:12:24,430 about the same time period hmm interest 253 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:25,209 you just don't 254 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:28,990 hear about them or nowadays you may hear 255 00:12:34,290 --> 00:12:31,410 occasionally but in those early days 256 00:12:36,299 --> 00:12:34,300 nobody knew what they were the term I 257 00:12:39,299 --> 00:12:36,309 don't think crop circle had even you 258 00:12:40,859 --> 00:12:39,309 know occurred yet and the farmers would 259 00:12:44,249 --> 00:12:40,869 find them and didn't have the faintest 260 00:12:46,829 --> 00:12:44,259 idea who to tell you know much less what 261 00:12:49,439 --> 00:12:46,839 to do about them in the early days once 262 00:12:52,379 --> 00:12:49,449 we'd started in the 90s and I started 263 00:12:55,319 --> 00:12:52,389 interviewing all the farmers when they 264 00:12:58,230 --> 00:12:55,329 were reported part of my work was to run 265 00:13:01,319 --> 00:12:58,240 a standard interview past the farmers 266 00:13:03,689 --> 00:13:01,329 the landowners and I heard over and over 267 00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:03,699 again as did the people in England as 268 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:06,480 did the people in Poland or Israel er 269 00:13:12,210 --> 00:13:08,769 Norway or wherever they were occurring 270 00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:12,220 that the farmers though parents if 271 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:14,079 they'd been on the land if the land had 272 00:13:20,009 --> 00:13:17,100 been historically owned by the family of 273 00:13:22,710 --> 00:13:20,019 generations back they had had their 274 00:13:26,369 --> 00:13:22,720 parents grandparents report finding 275 00:13:29,189 --> 00:13:26,379 things like this from time to time so it 276 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:29,199 was not a brand new thing it was simply 277 00:13:33,869 --> 00:13:31,860 at I guess it had been so occasional and 278 00:13:35,429 --> 00:13:33,879 because we didn't have the internet we 279 00:13:38,970 --> 00:13:35,439 didn't have the kind of communication 280 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:38,980 systems we had now oh it wasn't being 281 00:13:45,509 --> 00:13:42,160 reported or recorded and many of the 282 00:13:48,449 --> 00:13:45,519 farmers even today are absolutely 283 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:48,459 convinced there's one guy I just dealt 284 00:13:54,359 --> 00:13:51,730 with in because it was Minnesota if you 285 00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:54,369 go to the blt website you'll see a 286 00:14:00,299 --> 00:13:58,480 listing for us a crop circles and I list 287 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:00,309 them each year as they reported here in 288 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:02,970 the states and the most recent one 289 00:14:08,189 --> 00:14:05,470 reported here in the United States this 290 00:14:10,499 --> 00:14:08,199 year was in Minnesota and that farmer 291 00:14:15,179 --> 00:14:10,509 was in corn in this particular case in 292 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:15,189 maize full grown about 14 feet tall but 293 00:14:24,269 --> 00:14:18,720 he reported that he had them in his 294 00:14:27,090 --> 00:14:24,279 soybean and corn fields regularly for 295 00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:27,100 years and absolutely insisted these were 296 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:28,959 not crop formations crop circles 297 00:14:34,049 --> 00:14:30,610 anything of the sort it was simply dear 298 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:34,059 bedding down well when you look at the 299 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:36,490 size of some of these senses does it 300 00:14:40,290 --> 00:14:38,710 have to be elephants bedding down 301 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:40,300 and I don't think we've got wild 302 00:14:46,140 --> 00:14:42,010 elephants running around in Minnesota 303 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:46,150 but no I'm not only admit to any way not 304 00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:49,150 that they admit to yes you know well and 305 00:14:55,530 --> 00:14:51,580 I thought he had a lot of them had these 306 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:55,540 very strong opinions about what's going 307 00:15:00,390 --> 00:14:57,490 on in their land and I couldn't change 308 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:00,400 that guy's mind and their people I run 309 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:02,050 into farmers in the southern part of the 310 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:03,550 United States the southeast in 311 00:15:08,580 --> 00:15:06,730 particular where circles have been 312 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:08,590 reported and we have field workers all 313 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:10,480 over the place so you know we send 314 00:15:17,070 --> 00:15:14,170 people out to wherever they are and down 315 00:15:21,150 --> 00:15:17,080 the south or southeast where sometimes 316 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:21,160 told I've actually been told by a mature 317 00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:24,130 adult farmer that it is the work of the 318 00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:28,000 devil and they all want yeah we're all I 319 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:30,580 i I'm in the I'm in northeast Oklahoma 320 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:32,950 and I'm in the bible belt and I can see 321 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:35,200 that I get I get that all the time 322 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:36,910 because of my research and a flying 323 00:15:44,340 --> 00:15:39,750 saucers denim that I'm doing adult 324 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:44,350 fortunate that people the media I hold 325 00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:46,510 the media responsible for this but also 326 00:15:52,820 --> 00:15:49,540 some of the people who actually are 327 00:15:57,390 --> 00:15:52,830 involved in the research in these areas 328 00:16:00,390 --> 00:15:57,400 that this fear-based crap and pardon me 329 00:16:03,570 --> 00:16:00,400 I think it is crap this constant 330 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:03,580 emphasis on if it is unknown we must be 331 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:06,070 afraid of it if it is something we don't 332 00:16:11,340 --> 00:16:08,770 know about it must be bad it must be 333 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:11,350 threatening it must be hostile well you 334 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:14,350 know when I was at a pic you know yeah 335 00:16:19,530 --> 00:16:16,630 why agree Nancy and and the fact that 336 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:19,540 somebody would think that deer were 337 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:22,510 smashing down 10 foot corn stocks to lay 338 00:16:28,740 --> 00:16:25,210 down come on I hunt deer that and if 339 00:16:30,930 --> 00:16:28,750 they're afraid the exact name dear I've 340 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:30,940 seen deer lay down in between the corn 341 00:16:35,490 --> 00:16:33,460 rolls but I've never seen them mash the 342 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:35,500 stocks down play on that's not the point 343 00:16:40,830 --> 00:16:37,890 the point is that you have people 344 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:40,840 responding the way they do because 345 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:44,020 they're afraid and the thing then get to 346 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:47,410 be okay why are they afraid one of the 347 00:16:51,870 --> 00:16:50,080 major reasons they're afraid I mean it's 348 00:16:52,590 --> 00:16:51,880 natural that some people are of course 349 00:16:55,050 --> 00:16:52,600 but 350 00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:55,060 a huge numbers of people are afraid of 351 00:16:59,999 --> 00:16:58,000 unknown things because they've been 352 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:00,009 taught to be they've been told they 353 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:03,490 should be by the media and also by some 354 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:04,600 of the people who do these 355 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:07,150 investigations they jump to the 356 00:17:11,460 --> 00:17:09,370 conclusion that it must be hostile it 357 00:17:15,230 --> 00:17:11,470 must be threatening may look at the 358 00:17:18,809 --> 00:17:15,240 history of the UFO investigations and 359 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:18,819 it's absurd that the immediate response 360 00:17:24,179 --> 00:17:21,850 of a reasonably intelligent human being 361 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:24,189 to something that they are brand new 362 00:17:31,230 --> 00:17:27,760 that it should immediately be fear and 363 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:31,240 it bothers me enormously that that is in 364 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,150 fact the case well but that I think part 365 00:17:39,899 --> 00:17:36,240 of that is human nature Nancy I mean 366 00:17:42,570 --> 00:17:39,909 r.i.p fear of the unknown is you know it 367 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:42,580 doesn't necessarily did and encouraged 368 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:45,340 by people who talked about these things 369 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:48,880 to sensationalize them to glamorize them 370 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:50,890 to get attention because unfortunately 371 00:17:57,390 --> 00:17:55,330 people do like to be titillated but it i 372 00:18:00,720 --> 00:17:57,400 think it's you're responsible there 373 00:18:03,390 --> 00:18:00,730 unless one has actual proof any any sort 374 00:18:06,750 --> 00:18:03,400 of real truth obviously caution is 375 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:06,760 advisable in unknown situations but this 376 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:08,590 jumping to the conclusion that just 377 00:18:13,230 --> 00:18:10,990 because we don't know about it because 378 00:18:16,580 --> 00:18:13,240 we don't have a handle on whatever it is 379 00:18:20,370 --> 00:18:16,590 that we should approach it fearfully 380 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:20,380 it's holding back I mean it holds us 381 00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:23,850 back from incredible advances you know 382 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,100 sure don't yeah i think you know anytime 383 00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:29,440 you you throw that into the mixture it's 384 00:18:34,409 --> 00:18:32,559 going to inhibit your ability to do the 385 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:34,419 proper proper research in order to 386 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:37,510 answer some of the questions that you 387 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:39,010 know you as a researcher would be 388 00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:41,020 seeking and which leads me when you're 389 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:43,750 talking about proof what percentage do 390 00:18:48,930 --> 00:18:46,780 you think Nancy are legitimate crop 391 00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:48,940 circles or crop formations as you call 392 00:18:53,820 --> 00:18:51,510 them and those that are that are hoaxed 393 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:53,830 nobody can make an intelligent response 394 00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:56,770 to that you would have to have that you 395 00:19:02,010 --> 00:18:59,679 have to have sampled every single circle 396 00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:02,020 at least for one given summer to even 397 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:03,900 vaguely have 398 00:19:08,060 --> 00:19:06,090 an answer why don't you let me talk 399 00:19:10,910 --> 00:19:08,070 about some of the physical changes that 400 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:10,920 we've discovered and what they are what 401 00:19:16,940 --> 00:19:13,650 the energies are that caused them and 402 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:16,950 what sort of an energy system is then 403 00:19:22,850 --> 00:19:20,130 capable of producing those energy to 404 00:19:25,010 --> 00:19:22,860 give people some sort of an idea of the 405 00:19:29,140 --> 00:19:25,020 framework that we've been developing as 406 00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:29,150 to what may be at least a partial answer 407 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:32,310 regarding the causation of the genuine 408 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:35,210 formations let's do it Nancy let's do it 409 00:19:40,370 --> 00:19:38,610 okay thank you it's a lot easier than I 410 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:40,380 don't like speculating about silly 411 00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:42,810 things that I can't you know I couldn't 412 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:44,700 possibly make an intelligent comment 413 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:48,570 about the other okay the basic physical 414 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:50,460 changes that matter and there are two 415 00:19:54,740 --> 00:19:53,160 that are visible to the human eye you 416 00:19:58,130 --> 00:19:54,750 don't need a laboratory you don't need a 417 00:20:01,730 --> 00:19:58,140 microscope the first is apical node 418 00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:01,740 elongation these are the top knows the 419 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:05,670 first nodes beneath the seed head and if 420 00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:08,610 people go to the blt website which is 421 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:12,720 BLT research calm and open up on the 422 00:20:17,150 --> 00:20:14,490 left you'll see a margin and it says 423 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,160 plant abnormalities if people would like 424 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:19,200 to see the photos of some of this they 425 00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:22,050 could follow along this top node the 426 00:20:28,910 --> 00:20:26,340 apical node is elongated as compared to 427 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:28,920 the controls on than the rest of the 428 00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:32,190 field this is the best established most 429 00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:35,220 most thoroughly tested parameter that 430 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:39,780 we've got so far now in some cases the 431 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:43,770 node lengthening of this top node is is 432 00:20:50,810 --> 00:20:47,370 not excessive it's say 35 to 50 or 433 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:50,820 seventy percent at that rate of change 434 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:54,210 you can't always tell visually but in 435 00:21:01,970 --> 00:20:56,970 many cases the degree of lengthening 436 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:01,980 will be at around the 90 to 100 150 even 437 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:04,410 two hundred percent increase in node 438 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:07,110 length when it's up in those ranges it's 439 00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:10,770 clearly easily visible the one of things 440 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:13,500 I do when I visit a new circle is I walk 441 00:21:17,970 --> 00:21:17,250 in from wherever the access road is get 442 00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:17,980 into the fee 443 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:19,720 the little ways you never want to take 444 00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:22,360 your controls from the edge because the 445 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:24,760 edge is the field the plants always grow 446 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:27,010 slightly differently there to get into 447 00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:29,410 the field a little ways and I take a 448 00:21:34,890 --> 00:21:31,660 knife and cut off a handful se 1015 449 00:21:37,770 --> 00:21:34,900 stocks at the base and I carry them with 450 00:21:40,169 --> 00:21:37,780 me then into the actual crop formation 451 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:40,179 when I get there and you can get down on 452 00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,130 your hands and knees and simply start 453 00:21:47,850 --> 00:21:45,280 comparing the node length these top 454 00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:47,860 apical node links on the flattened 455 00:21:52,830 --> 00:21:50,470 plants to the controls that you've just 456 00:21:54,690 --> 00:21:52,840 brought in with you and if you do this 457 00:21:58,530 --> 00:21:54,700 throughout the formation in various 458 00:22:00,419 --> 00:21:58,540 parts if in fact there is a considerable 459 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:00,429 node length increase it'll be obvious 460 00:22:06,030 --> 00:22:03,330 you'll see it without any problem at all 461 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:06,040 the reason that we take hundreds and 462 00:22:11,789 --> 00:22:08,770 sometimes thousands of plant samples and 463 00:22:14,669 --> 00:22:11,799 controls is because sometimes the 464 00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,679 energies involved do not produce such a 465 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:17,200 massive change they'll produce something 466 00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,090 more in the range of fifty sixty seventy 467 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:22,240 eighty percent change which is not 468 00:22:29,159 --> 00:22:25,570 always clearly visible there's some 469 00:22:31,409 --> 00:22:29,169 variation in node length anyhow and you 470 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:31,419 really can't evaluate it visually that 471 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:33,910 way so we take all the samples and then 472 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:37,090 do it in the lab so that's one visible 473 00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:38,740 change you're looking for is the top 474 00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:41,470 node to see whether it is longer whether 475 00:22:47,789 --> 00:22:44,470 they the flattened ones inside the crop 476 00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,799 circle are longer than the controls from 477 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,360 out in the field of considerable 478 00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:52,840 distance away from the formation the 479 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:54,549 second visible sign are what we call 480 00:23:01,860 --> 00:22:58,690 expulsion cavities these are holes blown 481 00:23:04,289 --> 00:23:01,870 out in the lower nodes of the stalks 482 00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:04,299 we're talking here about essentially we 483 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,740 oats cereal plans rye barley stuff like 484 00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:10,960 that also it also happens in maize and 485 00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:14,350 in a number of other plants but these 486 00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:18,160 holes the stocks down then the lower 487 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,960 part of the stocks are they're not 488 00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:22,720 elastic at all they're very strong the 489 00:23:29,850 --> 00:23:27,520 external fibers and so the lower nodes 490 00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:29,860 are what usually will show these 491 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:31,880 expulsion cavities their whole 492 00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:34,710 clearly blown out at these lower nodes 493 00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:36,660 you don't need a microscope at all 494 00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:39,390 they're completely clearly visible see 495 00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:43,580 if their present now both of those 496 00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:46,590 changes those visible clearly obvious 497 00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:50,640 changes are caused by the exposure of 498 00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:54,840 the plants to extremely intense but very 499 00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:59,280 brief bursts of a cleaning agency that 500 00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:01,740 we believe is almost certainly going to 501 00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:04,700 be found to be microwave radiation okay 502 00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:08,460 it acts exactly like it would in your 503 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:11,070 oven you put an egg or whatever you know 504 00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:13,890 in your in your oven you crank it up if 505 00:24:17,660 --> 00:24:15,420 you let the egg sit in there too long 506 00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:17,670 what's going to happen is it's good the 507 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:19,500 moisture turns to steam the steam 508 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,640 expands and at the top of the stalks we 509 00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:25,980 have very that's the youngest part of 510 00:24:32,110 --> 00:24:28,380 the plan and the tissue is very elastic 511 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:32,120 and so as the moisture turns to steam it 512 00:24:38,380 --> 00:24:35,130 stretches those fibers at the top and 513 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:38,390 seeks out leaving the elongated nodes 514 00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:41,910 farther down the plant stem the fibers 515 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,220 don't stretch there not elastic at all 516 00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:47,520 and as the steam pressure builds up it 517 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:49,350 does exactly what would happen in your 518 00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:52,530 microwave oven it simply explodes the 519 00:24:57,020 --> 00:24:54,830 sides of the cell walls of the nodes 520 00:25:01,580 --> 00:24:57,030 causing the holes and letting the steam 521 00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:01,590 out okay that makes sense to you so far 522 00:25:05,150 --> 00:25:03,300 oh yeah and I've been throwing a 523 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:05,160 pitchers in chat to Nancy so people are 524 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:07,890 following along with us too okay perfect 525 00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,410 it's working a lot or not doing rocket 526 00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:12,840 right right exactly yeah it makes sense 527 00:25:18,380 --> 00:25:15,270 well I hate Nancy I got a question for 528 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:18,390 you these stalks that you're describing 529 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:22,170 are all grains to do does this was 530 00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:24,210 talking about grain primarily because 531 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:25,830 that's what we've worked on the most 532 00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:29,370 okay well and so my question is that do 533 00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:32,900 these crap do these crop formations 534 00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,260 appear in non green stalks occur and 535 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:39,840 everything that I've heard of I mean 536 00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:43,110 I've had reports of them in every kind 537 00:25:49,390 --> 00:25:45,350 of vegetable I've ever heard of 538 00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:49,400 some I haven't they occur in reads they 539 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:52,940 can occur in snow they can occur in sand 540 00:25:58,360 --> 00:25:56,390 I have heard a few reports of them in 541 00:26:00,400 --> 00:25:58,370 trees but I've never been able to follow 542 00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:00,410 it up enough to be certain of that I 543 00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:05,470 have seen some low bushes flattened so 544 00:26:11,380 --> 00:26:09,470 apparently the this causative mechanism 545 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:11,390 which we've only just begun to describe 546 00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:15,289 here can affect almost anything on the 547 00:26:20,289 --> 00:26:18,260 surface of the earth that can should we 548 00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:20,299 react the mint wouldn't react I don't 549 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:23,830 think right well and so then my other 550 00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,270 dovetail to the question is that this 551 00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,120 microwave energy this microwave beam if 552 00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:31,520 that's what it is it's also affecting my 553 00:26:36,399 --> 00:26:34,190 soil the anarchy complex it's only one 554 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,409 of the energies involved oh there's more 555 00:26:42,850 --> 00:26:38,960 than one okay Wow but in its 556 00:26:46,299 --> 00:26:42,860 effectiveness or incontinence also the 557 00:26:49,659 --> 00:26:46,309 next energy that we discovered that was 558 00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:49,669 present was by accident as often happens 559 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:55,760 in science oh we a bunch of samples had 560 00:27:00,159 --> 00:26:57,770 come in from I think with California in 561 00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:00,169 this case of a formation that had 562 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:03,980 occurred up there and Levengood who did 563 00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:07,490 all of this early lab work himself had 564 00:27:13,390 --> 00:27:09,590 done the examination of the plants and 565 00:27:15,970 --> 00:27:13,400 the samples and the controls we normally 566 00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:15,980 get in at that time you are getting in 567 00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,230 Oh a thousand fifteen hundred samples at 568 00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:20,720 least and about that same number of 569 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:23,150 controls and it's a huge amount of work 570 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:24,950 if you can imagine we're measuring all 571 00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,510 those nodes were counting all those 572 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:29,360 expulsion cavities but we also do 573 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:31,850 germination studies microscopic studies 574 00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:34,130 of a lot of other work that you can't do 575 00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:35,780 in the field I just told you about the 576 00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:39,260 things you can see visually first but in 577 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:41,929 the lab one of the things that Levin was 578 00:27:47,649 --> 00:27:44,570 doing regularly with germination studies 579 00:27:50,890 --> 00:27:47,659 he take seeds from the affected crops 580 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,900 and and from the controls and then 581 00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:52,640 germinate them in professional 582 00:27:57,940 --> 00:27:55,340 germination chambers to see if in fact 583 00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:57,950 there were any differences in the way 584 00:28:01,200 --> 00:27:58,730 the sea 585 00:28:04,659 --> 00:28:01,210 the affected seeds would germinate and 586 00:28:07,630 --> 00:28:04,669 what we found was that when circles 587 00:28:10,780 --> 00:28:07,640 occur early on in the season in the 588 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:10,790 growth season this would be end of May 589 00:28:17,530 --> 00:28:14,450 and June in the northern hemisphere how 590 00:28:20,110 --> 00:28:17,540 before the seeds are fully formed when 591 00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:20,120 they're still forming another to see the 592 00:28:26,049 --> 00:28:23,000 plant is not mature when crop circles 593 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:26,059 occur at that time of the year the seeds 594 00:28:32,289 --> 00:28:29,330 become stunted they're dehydrated they 595 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:32,299 weigh less and in many of the cases they 596 00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:34,970 are in fact sterilized they will not 597 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:38,360 grow when germinated so you know 598 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:40,130 effectively those plants are sterilized 599 00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:45,770 oh we found also that when crop circles 600 00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:49,760 occur in in organic non hybridized 601 00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,230 plants to unhybridized plants grow at a 602 00:28:59,260 --> 00:28:56,960 random rate of growth they don't all 603 00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,270 grow at exactly the same rate and this 604 00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:01,520 is one of the reasons why hybridized 605 00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:04,400 crop is used the farmers want the plants 606 00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:05,990 to all grow at exactly the same rate 607 00:29:10,510 --> 00:29:08,150 because it's easier to apply their 608 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:10,520 pesticides do the harvesting blah blah 609 00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:13,490 but organic stuff doesn't do that it 610 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:15,590 grows kind of variously and we 611 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:17,570 discovered when we happen to get some 612 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:21,410 samples in from an organic farm that 613 00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:24,490 those samples those plants which grow 614 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:27,500 variously normally at different rates of 615 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:30,290 speed their growth rate became 616 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:33,110 synchronized after the crop circle death 617 00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:36,890 highly unusual and very curious but 618 00:29:41,289 --> 00:29:39,320 perhaps the most interesting result it 619 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:41,299 was the most productive result from the 620 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:44,210 germination work was that we discovered 621 00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:46,850 by accident because there's a very 622 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:48,740 formal way that you have to dispose of 623 00:29:53,530 --> 00:29:51,049 all these samples according to the 624 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:53,540 Department of Agriculture as a special 625 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:55,490 kind of furnace and you have to do you 626 00:29:58,930 --> 00:29:56,690 know to get rid of these things in a 627 00:30:01,630 --> 00:29:58,940 certain way and let him go to empty on 628 00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,640 his lab after doing a particular 629 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:03,679 formation he thought he'd gotten all the 630 00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:06,890 boxes out but he'd forgotten one and a 631 00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:09,140 couple of weeks later he opened this be 632 00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:11,240 found the box and opened it up and 633 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:12,710 inside 634 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:15,390 were a couple of samples from this 635 00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:17,310 California formation and a couple of 636 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:20,190 controls and he noticed immediately that 637 00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:23,850 the controls were dead as doornails and 638 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:26,700 the samples which had had no water no 639 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:29,970 sunlight nothing for weeks were growing 640 00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:34,110 vigorously what really this was a clue 641 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:38,070 and Levengood being a biophysicist had 642 00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,310 some idea what it might mean and he and 643 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:42,720 John Burke been spent a considerable 644 00:30:48,050 --> 00:30:45,450 amount of time and we began testing a 645 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:48,060 number of other crop formations that 646 00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:50,130 occurred later on in the season this was 647 00:30:56,390 --> 00:30:52,700 one from late in the year and it was 648 00:30:58,610 --> 00:30:56,400 consistently then discovered that when 649 00:31:01,880 --> 00:30:58,620 the crop circles occur in the tour crop 650 00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:01,890 where the seed is fully formed when the 651 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:05,640 formation occurs those seeds although 652 00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:07,650 they will be dehydrated they usually 653 00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:09,480 weigh less and they look kind of 654 00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:13,380 scrunched up they germinate and then 655 00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:15,780 grow at up to five times the rate of 656 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:19,620 normal that's five times faster they do 657 00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:22,650 it without order or sunlight for long 658 00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:26,160 periods of time and they produce greater 659 00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:30,840 yield whoa now that is a stunning result 660 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:34,980 if it could be figured out John and 661 00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:37,320 Levengood immediately realized that if 662 00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:39,150 they could figure out what the energies 663 00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,420 were that were causing that change it 664 00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:44,640 would be a great interest to the farming 665 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:47,460 community because it could number one 666 00:31:52,670 --> 00:31:50,310 protect you against so series of 667 00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:52,680 droughts for instance if you can figure 668 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:54,840 out how to treat seeds this way then you 669 00:31:58,550 --> 00:31:56,130 don't don't worry so much if there's a 670 00:32:01,610 --> 00:31:58,560 drought or if there's a long spell about 671 00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:01,620 a lot of sunlight and they work for some 672 00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,420 time on this and eventually we're able 673 00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,720 to produce a piece of equipment that the 674 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:09,200 liver is what Levengood called ion 675 00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:13,050 avalanches essentially user very unusual 676 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:16,350 electrical pulses and it took quite a 677 00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:18,450 long time to figure out the intensity 678 00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:21,030 level of the pulse the duration of 679 00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:24,390 exposure that was required for each 680 00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:26,580 different type of plant 681 00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:29,580 but eventually they were able to figure 682 00:32:37,630 --> 00:32:34,260 out in cotton in carrots in tomatoes in 683 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:37,640 wheat in corn a number of other 684 00:32:44,509 --> 00:32:41,250 varieties the exact intensity level 685 00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:44,519 required and the duration to which those 686 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,070 normal seeds had to be exposed to 687 00:32:52,669 --> 00:32:50,640 produce exactly the same result that we 688 00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:52,679 had found in the crop circles he'd 689 00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:55,559 Nansen so you know eventually they were 690 00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,919 able to create at will this increased 691 00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:01,200 growth rate up to five times the rate of 692 00:33:07,009 --> 00:33:03,990 normal growing without water or sunlight 693 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:07,019 for long periods of time and producing 694 00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:11,460 greater yield you have you have you done 695 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:13,980 any type of study on the insects inside 696 00:33:18,639 --> 00:33:15,960 the crop formations and how their effect 697 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:18,649 on this is gone with what we have done 698 00:33:23,539 --> 00:33:21,240 that will get to what we have it okay 699 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,549 okay well I I'm just writing questions 700 00:33:26,539 --> 00:33:24,720 as you're bringing as you're going down 701 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:26,549 this list and I was thinking you know 702 00:33:31,899 --> 00:33:28,529 all the inflames is that with this 703 00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:31,909 increased growth rate they were able to 704 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,820 patent this finding and then John Burke 705 00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:37,440 spent a considerable amount of time 706 00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:39,539 going around the world the various seed 707 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:42,990 companies because this form of treatment 708 00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:47,580 of seeds so in no way changes the 709 00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:49,740 environment it doesn't cause any harmful 710 00:33:55,879 --> 00:33:52,169 effects there's no pesticide involved 711 00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:55,889 there's no residue the flora and fauna 712 00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:58,740 are not in any way affected and the 713 00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:02,100 feeds you know it's very inexpensive to 714 00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:04,700 treat them with this condition 715 00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:07,230 unfortunately the seed companies like 716 00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:08,760 Monsanto and many of these other 717 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:11,669 companies have invested millions if not 718 00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:14,730 billions of dollars now in this genetic 719 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:18,599 stuff which is horribly if they nobody 720 00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,070 has any idea how safe this is and it 721 00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:24,000 unfortunately they make a great deal of 722 00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:25,950 their money because their seeds are 723 00:34:31,579 --> 00:34:28,109 engineered so that they of course need 724 00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:31,589 their roundup pesticide and then they 725 00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:33,419 need all these fertilizers that these 726 00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:36,750 companies produce and sell also where as 727 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:39,149 well we discovered from the crop circles 728 00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:40,020 you 729 00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:45,030 need any pesticides at all because the 730 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:47,790 plants are growing so much faster than 731 00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:50,640 the pests which have evolved to feed on 732 00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:53,700 those plants that by the time the pests 733 00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,220 have come out of their cocoons or 734 00:35:01,580 --> 00:34:58,500 whatever the plan is way past the stage 735 00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:01,590 where it's in trouble and yet nobody was 736 00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:04,140 interested in this discovery they 737 00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:05,940 replicated our work it was replicated 738 00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:08,760 all over the world in fields where we 739 00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:11,340 and it's the treated seed with we call 740 00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:15,480 it the MIR technique oh and we treated 741 00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:17,190 the seeds and then would send them off 742 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:18,870 to these companies around the world and 743 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:20,370 they would run the studies they would 744 00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:23,250 plant them and compare them to various 745 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:24,870 other seeds that they were you know 746 00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:27,690 trying and consistently we saw 747 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:29,940 twenty-five to thirty-five percent 748 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:33,090 increase in yield where they reported 749 00:35:37,850 --> 00:35:34,770 this and we also found it in our own 750 00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:37,860 studies and yet in spite of that there 751 00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:40,260 was absolutely no interest in fact if 752 00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:42,900 anything the desire was to squash the 753 00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:45,270 information and keep it from getting out 754 00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:48,030 I think that's rather a sad commentary 755 00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:51,000 on the state of it's all for money you 756 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:52,740 know make not permit you're not 757 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,650 interested right right right I want to 758 00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:57,720 move on to the last energy that 759 00:36:02,060 --> 00:35:59,640 particular energy we're talking here 760 00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:02,070 about these unusual electrical pulses so 761 00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:04,140 we've discovered that there is something 762 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,300 even microwaves are something that act 763 00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:08,880 just like them involved in creating crop 764 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:11,070 circles there are also these unusual 765 00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:13,290 electrical pulses clearly they are also 766 00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:18,270 involved then in 1993 by accident again 767 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,860 we found a crop formation in cherry hill 768 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:25,200 in England that it happened during 769 00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:27,450 during the Perseid meteor shower in 770 00:36:34,330 --> 00:36:31,980 August and in the center of this video 771 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:34,340 centers of this particular conformation 772 00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:38,370 there were there was sort of a glaze now 773 00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:40,920 this information is all in the magnetic 774 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:44,280 material in the soils section and their 775 00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:46,890 photos there that show this metallic 776 00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,800 blaze that was found on the soils in 777 00:36:53,509 --> 00:36:52,140 that crop circle and then the plants 778 00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:53,519 themselves with centers 779 00:36:59,149 --> 00:36:56,339 of the flattened areas those plants were 780 00:37:01,299 --> 00:36:59,159 coverage in this sort of residue and we 781 00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:01,309 then discovered also these tiny little 782 00:37:08,859 --> 00:37:05,339 spherical particles again of this had 783 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:08,869 what had been molten iron and 784 00:37:14,529 --> 00:37:11,039 theoretically what we thought was going 785 00:37:18,259 --> 00:37:14,539 on was that we know that meteoritic iron 786 00:37:20,809 --> 00:37:18,269 tiny little particles like microscopic 787 00:37:22,309 --> 00:37:20,819 particles of meteoritic iron are 788 00:37:24,169 --> 00:37:22,319 filtering down to earth through the 789 00:37:26,989 --> 00:37:24,179 atmosphere all the time and that's 790 00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:26,999 perfectly normal and during a meteor 791 00:37:33,259 --> 00:37:30,299 shower there's more of this stuff then 792 00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:33,269 there is normally coming down and so 793 00:37:40,339 --> 00:37:36,529 what we thought was going on was that a 794 00:37:44,179 --> 00:37:40,349 plasma of sass whirling plasma vortex 795 00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:44,189 system which we know because we knew 796 00:37:49,969 --> 00:37:47,099 that plasmas when they spiral emit 797 00:37:51,469 --> 00:37:49,979 microwaves we know that they also are 798 00:37:54,949 --> 00:37:51,479 associated with these highly unusual 799 00:37:58,669 --> 00:37:54,959 electrical pulses and so the concept 800 00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:58,679 developed that somehow in the ionosphere 801 00:38:03,669 --> 00:38:01,079 not local weather conditions we're 802 00:38:07,249 --> 00:38:03,679 talking way up in the upper atmosphere 803 00:38:09,709 --> 00:38:07,259 that turbulence of some sort originated 804 00:38:12,889 --> 00:38:09,719 created these plasma defending plasma 805 00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:12,899 systems which were spiraling around the 806 00:38:18,319 --> 00:38:16,529 Earth's magnetic currents right down to 807 00:38:20,299 --> 00:38:18,329 the Earth's surface and as they were 808 00:38:22,669 --> 00:38:20,309 doing this they were emitting microwaves 809 00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:22,679 emitting these unusual electrical pulses 810 00:38:27,259 --> 00:38:24,779 and of course as they spiraled they 811 00:38:29,899 --> 00:38:27,269 generated very strong magnetic fields 812 00:38:32,839 --> 00:38:29,909 those magnetic fields would be strong 813 00:38:36,919 --> 00:38:32,849 enough to draw in these microscopic 814 00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,929 particles of meteoritic dust if in fact 815 00:38:40,789 --> 00:38:39,359 the plasma occurred in a place where 816 00:38:44,029 --> 00:38:40,799 there was one of these meteor showers 817 00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:44,039 going on and then the meteoritic 818 00:38:49,549 --> 00:38:46,380 particles would be heated up by the 819 00:38:52,549 --> 00:38:49,559 microwaves being emitted by the spiral 820 00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:52,559 and what happens is the materials then 821 00:38:57,649 --> 00:38:55,169 it's turned into its molten it's 822 00:39:00,259 --> 00:38:57,659 literally liquid and it's just like in 823 00:39:02,989 --> 00:39:00,269 the Revolutionary War when we made shot 824 00:39:05,830 --> 00:39:02,999 we build huge shock towers and heated up 825 00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:05,840 the lead and dumped it off the end 826 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:08,750 what happens is that in the molten state 827 00:39:13,690 --> 00:39:10,730 as it falls through the air it forms a 828 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:13,700 sphere and that's exactly what we were 829 00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:16,970 finding from that time onward in the 830 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:20,000 crop circle soils these tiny little 10 831 00:39:27,850 --> 00:39:23,170 to 50 micron diameter perfect spheres of 832 00:39:30,070 --> 00:39:27,860 highly magnetized iron and this was our 833 00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:30,080 understanding of where it had come from 834 00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:34,520 and how it got that way and what it ends 835 00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:36,470 up showing us is that we have now at 836 00:39:42,250 --> 00:39:39,100 least three different types of energy 837 00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:42,260 involved in the creation of crop circles 838 00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:44,780 and all three of them are known to be 839 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,260 associated with spiraling plasmas on 840 00:39:51,730 --> 00:39:49,760 northern lights for instance is a 841 00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:51,740 spiraling plasma you'd be familiar with 842 00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:54,200 but it never comes down to the Earth's 843 00:39:59,950 --> 00:39:57,710 surface and it's also too high energy 844 00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:59,960 for what we're talking about another 845 00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:02,720 plasma system or discharge you of course 846 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,000 knows a lightning strike that is the 847 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:07,040 only one currently known to actually 848 00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:09,890 reach the Earth's surface but a 849 00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,750 lightning strike is much too intense 850 00:40:15,550 --> 00:40:14,000 that's much too much energy it's much 851 00:40:19,180 --> 00:40:15,560 greater than what's going on the crop 852 00:40:23,530 --> 00:40:19,190 circles and so Levengood proposed that 853 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:23,540 an unknown plasma of some sort Mia's 854 00:40:28,990 --> 00:40:25,730 proposal was that there did exist 855 00:40:31,330 --> 00:40:29,000 perhaps a plasma not yet understood by 856 00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:31,340 science not yet documented by science 857 00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,430 there was much lower energy than either 858 00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:37,520 the northern lights or a lightning 859 00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:39,950 strike or sprites or blue Jets some of 860 00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:42,020 these other plasma discharges which have 861 00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:45,110 been discovered lately and add if in 862 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:46,940 fact this particular one is actually 863 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:49,850 reaching the Earth's surface drawn to 864 00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:51,710 certain places because of electrical 865 00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:54,470 charge in the Earth's surface and it 866 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:55,670 also has something to do with 867 00:41:03,130 --> 00:40:58,640 underground aquifers creating the crop 868 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:03,140 circles that is the basic idea so given 869 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:04,850 that information are there questions 870 00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:09,350 based on about that ken do you have a 871 00:41:15,570 --> 00:41:12,260 question at all well I was taking notes 872 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:15,580 on and trying to keep up and writing ivi 873 00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:18,370 what is it about England 874 00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:22,990 in that little small space of territory 875 00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:25,300 that would attract this type of energy 876 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:27,700 that is it some kind of vortex or what 877 00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:29,830 have you come to any type of income I 878 00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,310 mean we can I can't answer you 879 00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:34,720 conclusively about that but I can give 880 00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:38,080 you a very good idea okay when we looked 881 00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:41,590 at the geology in southern England the 882 00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,300 first thing that became completely 883 00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:45,280 obvious when you go to southern England 884 00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:46,990 because you can see of all over the 885 00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:48,760 hillsides in these fourth child horses 886 00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:50,680 you know you see etched in Williams I 887 00:41:59,300 --> 00:41:55,390 view the entire sub strata is chalk now 888 00:42:02,910 --> 00:41:59,310 chalk is the most porous of the 889 00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,920 geological rocks limestone is a close 890 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:04,920 second to chalky of the most porous as 891 00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:09,250 the surface water ring to Purple's down 892 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:11,980 partying and percolates down through the 893 00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,850 chalk down to the aquifer the electrons 894 00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:17,440 get stripped off and you get a charge 895 00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:20,950 separation in this water oh it's slowly 896 00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:24,940 slowly over the summer as the rain 897 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:28,480 percolates farther and farther down sets 898 00:42:32,850 --> 00:42:30,130 up a charge separation so that you have 899 00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:32,860 a slightly increased charge at the 900 00:42:38,970 --> 00:42:35,590 ground level in southern England over 901 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:38,980 this chalk aquifer and this could very 902 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:42,250 easily be functioning as the attractor 903 00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:45,250 why so many of them occur in that 904 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:48,460 particular area we've noticed that in 905 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:51,130 here in the United States in Germany and 906 00:42:55,290 --> 00:42:52,570 a number of the other countries that 907 00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:55,300 we've looked at the substrata in the 908 00:43:00,750 --> 00:42:57,550 area where the circles are occurring is 909 00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:00,760 primarily limestone and limestone is the 910 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:03,760 next most porous rock now whether this 911 00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:06,250 ends up being the reason we're not 912 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:08,590 geologists we haven't done enough work 913 00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:11,110 to tell you that is the reason but it's 914 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:15,280 so it's a strong contender for why they 915 00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:17,980 occur more prominently in some places 916 00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:22,500 than others very very good question can 917 00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:28,740 mancini's go ahead I'm sorry well I got 918 00:43:34,290 --> 00:43:31,030 a question from our friend Marilyn in 919 00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:34,300 Oklahoma here she wants a know if you 920 00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:36,280 measure any difference is an EMF between 921 00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:38,350 hoaxes and true crop formations do you 922 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:43,900 do any EMF testing we did there wasn't 923 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:47,760 really EMF testing but we did some elect 924 00:43:55,230 --> 00:43:52,420 electrostatic voltmeter work Oh now one 925 00:43:58,050 --> 00:43:55,240 thing that has tried differentiate here 926 00:43:59,760 --> 00:43:58,060 between man-made I don't call them 927 00:44:02,220 --> 00:43:59,770 hoaxes i call them mechanically 928 00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,230 flattened containing physically 929 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:04,800 mechanically pushing down those plants 930 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:08,320 when you do that with your feet with 931 00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:10,690 boards with planks with a cement roller 932 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:12,700 it doesn't make any difference what you 933 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:15,130 do it with as long as it's not 934 00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:18,280 electrified there is absolutely no 935 00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:23,500 change in the apical node length in the 936 00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:25,950 presence of expulsion cavities in the 937 00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:30,340 germination capabilities or in there's 938 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:32,380 no depositing of these magnetic 939 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:34,810 particles in the soils man you can 940 00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:37,330 flatten of the whole field if you want 941 00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:38,950 to hear green in the face it's not going 942 00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:42,400 to change any of those things to listen 943 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:44,320 to the rest of this interview please go 944 00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:46,450 to inception radio network calm and 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